A question for BACs/Estelle, since you've asked ?s of others here- (sm)

This is somewhat inflammatory, but that's all right- we can douse the flames if it gets too hot, LOL.

I thought you might be one of several posters who might answer a question or two-- Down below we were talking about how one relates, in your case, to God--
Which caused my meandering mind to wander over to a comment Anne Rice had made about Christians and their disregard/disbelief of science--I've seen that ramped up to a 'fear' level in others.

What is it that causes a Christian, someone who believes in the Bible, to disregard and attempt to refute scientific evidence that is able to be proven and documented.

Why do you think there are so many fundamentalist Bible believers so typically:

1. Anti-science
2. Anti-environmentalist
3. Anti-ecumenical
4. Anti-democrat/liberal

I'm actually going somewhere with this and thought I'd run it by here to see what you and possibly others would have to share.

What I'm seeing is that so many of the fundamentalist/Christian persuasion refuse to open their eyes or broaden their perspective to include irrefutable absolutes, as though it is a bad thing to believe in what is before their very eyes...

....in my somewhat argumentative opinion, lol.

Follow Ups:

• Just now seeing this.......((loooong and maybe boring & tangent-laden, lol)) Estelle 00:26:32 8/14/2010 (1)
  • Thanks, Estelle! Appreciate what you have to say here. Good food for thought. Will be back w/some thoughts soon....Nice to get your perspective on stuff. Shawn 14:22:14 8/14/2010 (0)
• It is a bad thing to see what is before their eyes, because that doesn't require faith. 17:27:30 8/10/2010 (45)
  • Why would that be a bad thing? Makes no sense to me. nm 18:47:04 8/10/2010 (44)
    • Bcuz their belive is based on faith - which can't be seen. Takes no faith to believe what you can see, but you have to have faith to believe what you can't. 21:06:21 8/10/2010 (43)
      • Article above kinda talks about that. I guess there are "points" to be earned by having faith. Yet ignoring reality is ?able...Shawn 17:59:59 8/11/2010 (42)
        • Anyone can see reality. Not anyone can have faith, is all I'm saying. Rachael (fessing up). 16:06:02 8/12/2010 (41)
          • Some people choose to put their faith in concrete, solid evidence. There's something wonderful about having one's eyes wide open. Exhilarating, in fact. Shawn 17:32:20 8/12/2010 (40)
            • Jesus told Thomas that because he had seen, he believed. sm Estelle 01:17:47 8/14/2010 (36)
              • What bothers me is those who can/do see, and they call it "bad" or "evil" and refuse to accept what's right there....Shawn 14:23:43 8/14/2010 (35)
                • I think I'm beginning to see what the problem is. sm Estelle 19:12:28 8/14/2010 (26)
                  • Not quite. I'm much more broad-minded than that- so don't assume...(sm) Shawn 01:13:52 8/15/2010 (16)
                    • I don't think you're any more "broad-minded" than I am. sm Estelle 08:25:42 8/15/2010 (0)
                    • Can you give an example? All I know is that if one has faith in whatever, what they see before them isn't necessary, but is there something specific you are talking about? Rachael sm 08:14:13 8/15/2010 (14)
                      • Hi R- I listed a few things in the initial question. Why is (sm) Shawn 14:01:14 8/15/2010 (13)
                        • I guess I'm just not understanding. Where is fossil evidence ignored and discounted and for what? I think there are many different scientific thoughts regarding global warming. Rachael sm 14:29:45 8/15/2010 (11)
                          • From THIS BAC's POV, it's NOT the fossils themselves that some Estelle 23:53:51 8/15/2010 (2)
                            • So all these scientists measuring systems are wrong, but a single special group of believes are right? R 21:32:54 8/16/2010 (1)
                              • According to young earth/creationist/BACs and their kind, yes. And they'll jerk Bible verses out of context to condemn those who disagree with them, to boot. Shawn 22:11:59 8/16/2010 (0)
                          • Oh, it is to be sure-- Young earth creationists, to be specific...It's a big topic. S 14:40:15 8/15/2010 (4)
                            • But your question was addressed to BACs, not Young earth creationists, and from what I can find, they are not one in the same. Rachael 15:19:32 8/15/2010 (3)
                              • 9 times out of 10 they are 1 and the same, or very nearly that. S 15:33:31 8/15/2010 (2)
                                • I still see them as their own branch of "extremism" who have perhaps branched off from Christianity. I don't think this is the belief of all Christians, by any means. r 15:46:09 8/15/2010 (1)
                                  • :+) Extremely something...... S 19:12:10 8/15/2010 (0)
                          • However, Shawn, I do know I have run into some of the Rachael sm 14:35:35 8/15/2010 (2)
                            • I've run into the same ones and they make me sad and mad. nm Estelle 00:00:55 8/16/2010 (0)
                            • Haha-- Well said-- last sentence, starting with "IF." Good point!! We've got some repair work to do on that score ;+) S 14:41:35 8/15/2010 (0)
                        • PS- in paragraph 2, I'm talking about the ice, btw.... S 14:02:39 8/15/2010 (0)
                  • I emailed you back. I don't understand the problem. No offense, but Christians don't have the cornderstone on faith. Rachael sm 20:02:52 8/14/2010 (8)
                    • I have never said anything about Christians being the only people w/ faith. sm Estelle 08:17:18 8/15/2010 (4)
                      • See - you did it again. LOL You said Rachael sm 08:50:55 8/15/2010 (3)
                        • But now that I think about it, I'm not being fair, because Shawn is trying to put faith in religious terms, , so you are just trying to answer her questions Rachael sm 08:59:55 8/15/2010 (2)
                          • Your last sentence pretty much sums it up (sm) Shawn 14:18:20 8/15/2010 (0)
                          • Haha- I'm not struggling, R, I'm having a ball.... :+) ((((hugs)))) Shawn 14:04:54 8/15/2010 (0)
                    • Here is a quote by MLK: Faith is taking the first step, even when you don't see the whole staircase. Rachael sm 20:13:28 8/14/2010 (2)
                      • Here is another: To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible. R 20:15:30 8/14/2010 (1)
                        • Amen! Estelle 08:41:37 8/15/2010 (0)
                • Once again, IMO, it is because that does not require faith. If they were to believe that, their faith would be shattered, so they have to Rachael sm 17:34:18 8/14/2010 (0)
                • I'm sorry, but my brain can't think of immediate examples right now. sm Estelle 17:10:53 8/14/2010 (6)
                  • I think it depends on who fundamentalist Christians happen to have been listening to- their current preacher, and that's pretty sad, IMO. Shawn 01:17:50 8/15/2010 (3)
                    • More simply put, it depends on to what degree they've been educated (sm) Shawn 01:24:23 8/15/2010 (2)
                      • I wish you could be more specific. It isn't that I disagree with you at all, I just don't know specifically what issues you are addressing. Rachael. 08:17:16 8/15/2010 (1)
                        • I guess what I mean, and I can't be specific either off hand, is Rachael sm 08:31:31 8/15/2010 (0)
                  • What about genetic evidence of homosexuality? nm 19:07:49 8/14/2010 (1)
                    • Okay, thanks! my answer is not a popular one by any means. sm Estelle 19:49:16 8/14/2010 (0)
            • Yeah, but I'm not sure that is faith then. It might be knowledge though. R 21:40:16 8/12/2010 (2)
              • Hmm. That's a good point. I like GMichael's "You Gotta Have Faith," but I'm not sure how much a place it has in today's world. Shawn 11:43:16 8/13/2010 (1)
                • Oh, faith has a HUGE place in this world! Heb 11:1 is just as true today as it ever was. :) nm Estelle 10:02:55 8/14/2010 (0)
• What is a BAC? nm 05:47:37 8/10/2010 (4)
  • I mean, I assume the B=Bible, the C=Christian - A? adhering? but not sure. 09:20:33 8/10/2010 (3)
    • born again christian-- Sorry about not making that more clear. Good morning! Shawn 11:35:49 8/10/2010 (2)
      • Oh...duh! LOL smacking my forehead. 16:35:10 8/10/2010 (0)
      • --and anybody is welcome to share their thoughts here, not just BACs in particular. Just tossing some ?s out for conversational purposes. S 11:37:09 8/10/2010 (0)

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